User:Najevi/sandbox

I have no idea what the improvements were. Thi sis just freestyle text. Will I be prompted if I don't leave an edit summry summary before saving? We'll see. Time for a table:  Breakfast Lunch Dinner|+The units for spacing/padding and border are not obvious mango beef &amp; lamb kebab prawn &amp; vege casserole with rice cereal mugi-cha jelly 

Observations: as spelling mistakes are made i am accustomed to my browser underlining those with red dashes. Firefox does not seem to treat this input window like it does other input windows. Ahh nasty! How does a user insert the equivalent of a to force text tha is wrapping te table to continue below the table? </li>Where did the text entered for my table summary dissappear to? </li>mmm when entering text into cells of t he table i intuitively pressed TAB to advance to the next cell. There is no response to TAB. </li>Otherwise populating a table was effortless </li>I am <u _rte_washtml="true">really missing that spel lcheck function! </li>It might be nice if selected text get's auto populated into the first box of the "Link" tool in the edit toolbar </li> </li></ol> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ah nice. Ctrl+I B U are each recognized! <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">New section <p _rte_fromparser="true">I'm looking for the blcokquote feature but don't see one. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<dl _rte_empty_lines_before="4"><dd _rte_spaces_before="1">I suppose indent will have to do the trick instead. </dd></dl> <dl _rte_empty_lines_before="1"><dd _rte_spaces_before="1">I wonder how this link to <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%20will%20turn%20out.%20Try%20again%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central</a> will turn out. Try again <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22central.wikia.com%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22.%20mmm%203rd%20time%27s%20a%20charm%3A%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bcentral.wikia.com%7Ccentral%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="/index.php?title=Central.wikia.com&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Central.wikia.com (page does not exist)" rel="nofollow">central</a>. mmm 3rd time's a charm: [<a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22external%22%2C%22wikitextIdx%22%3Anull%2C%22text%22%3A%22%5B1%5D%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22http%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%7Ccentral%22%2C%22linktype%22%3A%22autonumber%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Atrue%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://central.wikia.com|central" class="autonumber" title="http://central.wikia.com|central" >[1]</a>] oh darn ... I can't seem to get tha right. Maybe central is considered external an dnot internal. <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22external%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22http%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%22%2C%22linktype%22%3A%22text%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5Bhttp%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%20central%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://central.wikia.com" class="text" title="http://central.wikia.com" >central</a> mmm ... ok well tha mkae sit look like an external link when normally such a link (to another wiki in the mapping table) would appear like an internal link. </dd></dl> <ul>I notice you cannot test alink from within the WYSIWY editor - I'll try it after a quick preview </li>Well it seem sthat my first attempt entering w:c:central as an internal link does appear correctly in te preview and now appears corrcetly in the RTE input window as well. <ul><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20-%20yepp%20justconfirming%20the%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20is%20not%20recognized%20as%20an%20internal%20link%20whil%20estill%20in%20inout%20mode.%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%2A%2AI%20dont%20understand%20why%20that%20red-link%20text%20continued%20for%20an%20entire%20sentcne%20after%20I%20attempted%20to%20create%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20internal%20link.%5Cn%2A%2A%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20-%20yepp%20justconfirming%20the%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20is%20not%20recognized%20as%20an%20internal%20link%20whil%20estill%20in%20inout%20mode.%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central - yepp justconfirming the that w:c:central is not recognized as an internal link whil estill in inout mode. </a> </li>I dont understand why that red-link text continued for an entire sentcne after I attempted to create that w:c:central internal link. </li><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20test%20-%20yepp%20redtext%20again.%20I%20am%20sure%20that%20did%20not%20happen%20earlier.%20Let%27s%20get%20rid%20of%20the%20bulet%20formatting.%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20test%20-%20yepp%20redtext%20again.%20I%20am%20sure%20that%20did%20not%20happen%20earlier.%20Let%27s%20get%20rid%20of%20the%20bulet%20formatting.%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central test - yepp redtext again. I am sure that did not happen earlier. Let's get rid of the bulet formatting. </a> </li></ul> </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true"><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20oh%20noes%21%20it%20is%20here%20like%20the%20plague%20now%21%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%5CnI%20wonder%20hwat%20I%20did%20right%20the%20first%20time%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20oh%20noes%21%20it%20is%20here%20like%20the%20plague%20now%21%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central oh noes! it is here like the plague now! </a> <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">I wonder hwat I did right the first time? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20forums%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%3Aforum%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%20here%20it%20is%20restored%21%20It%20seems%20I%20cannot%20type%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20first%20thne%20highlight%20it%20befor%20clicking%20the%20link%20icon%20in%20the%20edit%20toolbar.%20I%20must%20click%20th%20elink%20tool%20first%20and%20then%20enter%20the%20internal%20link.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%3Ch2%3E%7FUNIQ2e94e988530ea25b-h-1--QINU%7FOk%20what%27s%20next%3F%3C%5C%2Fh2%3E%5CnHey%20I%20just%20noticed%20that%20the%20edittools%20message%20get%27s%20displayed%20near%20the%20footer%20whil%20ethe%20RTE%20is%20in%20use.%20I%20wonder%20how%20mixing%20a%20little%20raw%20WML%20will%20work%20in%20here%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnThere%27s%20my%20blockquote%20let%27s%20see%20how%20it%20behaves.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnMmm%20no%20joy%21%20there.%20I%20shudder%20to%20think%20what%20is%20going%20on%20with%20the%20uderlying%20Wiki%20markup%20right%20now%21%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn--%20najevi%2016%3A38%2C%20December%2010%2C%202009%20%28UTC%29%20%5Cufffd%20oh%20boy%20now%20that%27s%20almost%20a%20laugh.%20The%204%20tildes%20is%20inserted%20for%20a%20signature.%20I%20might%20recognize%20that%20but%20would%20a%20newcomer%20understand%20what%27s%20going%20on%20with%20that%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnForgot%20to%20mention%20tha%20finding%20the%20T%20template%20was%20a%20breeze.%20I%20might%20take%20a%20while%20getting%20used%20to%20the%20puzzle%20piece%20icon.%20In%20word%20processors%20I%20might%20have%20expected%20to%20see%20a%20grey%20area%20around%20a%20field%20code.%20I%20wonder%20if%20a%20grey%20area%20around%20a%20template%27s%20WML%20would%20be%20off-putting%20for%20a%20newcomer.%20They%20realize%20that%20the%20text%20they%20entered%20via%20the%20popup%20window%20had%20to%20have%20been%20saved%20somewhere.%20I%20reckon%20if%20they%20saw%20evidence%20tha%20their%20text%20has%20been%20captured%20in%20the%20%5C%22field%20code%5C%22%20but%20don%27t%20see%20it%20rendered%20until%20preview%20...%20would%20probably%20be%20fine.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%3Ch2%3E%7FUNIQ2e94e988530ea25b-h-2--QINU%7Fnext%3C%5C%2Fh2%3E%5CnIs%20there%20a%20keyboard%20shortcut%20for%20cretaing%20a%20new%20heading%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnLet%27s%20see%20what%20images%20Kirkburn%20has%20handy.%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%3Aforum%7Ccentral%20forums%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/forum" class="extiw" title="w:c:central:forum">central forums</a> here it is restored! It seems I cannot type w:c:central first thne highlight it befor clicking the link icon in the edit toolbar. I must click th elink tool first and then enter the internal link. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ok what's next? <p _rte_fromparser="true">Hey I just noticed that the edittools message get's displayed near the footer whil ethe RTE is in use. I wonder how mixing a little raw WML will work in here? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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There's my blockquote let's see how it behaves. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="7">Mmm no joy! there. I shudder to think what is going on with the uderlying Wiki markup right now! <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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-- najevi 16:38, December 10, 2009 (UTC) � oh boy now that's almost a laugh. The 4 tildes is inserted for a signature. I might recognize that but would a newcomer understand what's going on with that? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Forgot to mention tha finding the T template was a breeze. I might take a while getting used to the puzzle piece icon. In word processors I might have expected to see a grey area around a field code. I wonder if a grey area around a template's WML would be off-putting for a newcomer. They realize that the text they entered via the popup window had to have been saved somewhere. I reckon if they saw evidence tha their text has been captured in the "field code" but don't see it rendered until preview ... would probably be fine. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="6">next <p _rte_fromparser="true">Is there a keyboard shortcut for cretaing a new heading? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Let's see what images Kirkburn has handy. <img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22image%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5BFile%3ADSCN3347.jpg%7Cthumb%7CHow%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%5D%5D%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22DSCN3347.jpg%22%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22thumbnail%22%3Atrue%2C%22caption%22%3A%22How%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22How%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%22%7D%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" alt="" src="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/kirkburn/images/thumb/0/02/DSCN3347.jpg/180px-DSCN3347.jpg" width="180" height="135" border="0" class="image thumb withCaption" type="image" /> <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1"><img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22double-brackets%22%2C%22lineStart%22%3A%221%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22Template%3AClr%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%7B%7BTemplate%3AClr%7D%7D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" _rte_placeholder="1" class="placeholder placeholder-double-brackets" src="http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/blank.gif?1" type="double-brackets" />Ok well that was painless enough but it does leave me wondering about the <img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22double-brackets%22%2C%22lineStart%22%3A%22%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22t%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%7B%7Bt%7Cclr%7D%7D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" _rte_placeholder="1" class="placeholder placeholder-double-brackets" src="http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/blank.gif?1" type="double-brackets" /> question again. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Found it - time for another preview. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Ok well tha worked liek a charm so i reckon i could fix that text wrap around the table but will leave it as is so Kirkburn can make sense of this rambling monolog. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Well CTrl+Z works intuitively enough ... as does Ctrl+Y <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<ul _rte_empty_lines_before="3">have i said that I miss my red underlinging of typos? </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="2">What have i not tested? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Ah yes a gallery of images. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">mmm I wonder if the edit toolbar can be added to via some simple JS as it can for the PlainText Editor? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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I have the ShowHide macro of Navframe/NavHeader/NavContent assigned to oneof theose edit toolbar icons and it makes cretaing collapsible content a breeze But then again nexcomer editors are not going to be that sophisticated in the early days. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Oh yes - there is no concept of a DIV element here so if i wanted to give a block of text a pastel color box with a slightly darker border how would I go about that in the RTE? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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How can I insert fixed width text such as is required when pasting a piece of code? ie. wher ei sthe  functionality. Or pre elements for that matter. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Nice work <p _rte_fromparser="true">I think this RTE has covered the basic editing needs if newcomers. I have yet to review how the underlying wikimarkup looks because i'd rater save here first. ... lest i be tempted to "fix" markup that displaeases me! Cheers! Well done. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Ahh good - no edit summary entered let's see wht happens. ... good the reminder kicked in. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Now if ever there was a user preference that ought to be enabled by default it is that checkbox to prompt a user for an edit summary if it is left blank.  .. just a thought <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Revisit after my first save <p _rte_fromparser="true">What has happened to taht table? and why did the Heading text inherit the frmat of the last word typed before saving? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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The table rendered fine n preview before clicking save. but now it is a mess. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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I'll leave it as is for Kirkburn to look at but as I look at it from the RET I cannot begin to imagine how a new user would go about repairing thta corrupted table layout given te tools avaoilable to them. <ul>Did I mention that I miss my spell checker? � ;-) </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ok so now it's time to lift the hood and see what the markup looks like.

<p _rte_fromparser="true">I have no idea what the improvements were. Thi sis just freestyle text. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Will I be prompted if I don't leave an edit <strike _rte_washtml="true">summry summary before saving? We'll <u _rte_washtml="true">see. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Time for a table: <table align="left" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" style="height: 100px; width: 75%;" _rte_style="height: 100px; width: 75%;" summary="Is height the height of each row or the entire table?" _rte_attribs=" align=left border=1 cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 style=height: 100px; width: 75%; summary=Is height the height of each row or the entire table?"> <th scope="col" _rte_attribs=" scope=col">Breakfast <th scope="col" _rte_attribs=" scope=col">Lunch <th scope="col" _rte_attribs=" scope=col">Dinner|+The units for spacing/padding and border are not obvious mango beef &amp; lamb kebab prawn &amp; vege casserole with rice cereal mugi-cha jelly <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Observations: <ol>as spelling mistakes are made i am accustomed to my browser underlining those with red dashes. Firefox does not seem to treat this input window like it does other input windows. </li>Ahh nasty! How does a user insert the equivalent of a <img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22double-brackets%22%2C%22lineStart%22%3A%22%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22T%5Cn%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%7B%7BT%5Cn%7C1%20%3D%20clr%5Cn%7D%7D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" _rte_placeholder="1" class="placeholder placeholder-double-brackets" src="http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/blank.gif?1" type="double-brackets" />to force text tha is wrapping te table to continue below the table? </li>Where did the text entered for my table summary dissappear to? </li><li>mmm when entering text into cells of t he table i intuitively pressed TAB to advance to the next cell. There is no response to TAB. </li><li>Otherwise populating a table was effortless </li><li _rte_spaces_before="1">I am <u _rte_washtml="true">really missing that spel lcheck function! </li><li _rte_spaces_before="1">It might be nice if selected text get's auto populated into the first box of the "Link" tool in the edit toolbar </li><li _rte_spaces_before="5"> </li></ol> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ah nice. Ctrl+I B U are each recognized! <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">New section <p _rte_fromparser="true">I'm looking for the blcokquote feature but don't see one. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<dl _rte_empty_lines_before="4"><dd _rte_spaces_before="1">I suppose indent will have to do the trick instead. </dd></dl> <dl _rte_empty_lines_before="1"><dd _rte_spaces_before="1">I wonder how this link to <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%20will%20turn%20out.%20Try%20again%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central</a> will turn out. Try again <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22central.wikia.com%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22.%20mmm%203rd%20time%27s%20a%20charm%3A%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bcentral.wikia.com%7Ccentral%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="/index.php?title=Central.wikia.com&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" class="new" title="Central.wikia.com (page does not exist)" rel="nofollow">central</a>. mmm 3rd time's a charm: [<a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22external%22%2C%22wikitextIdx%22%3Anull%2C%22text%22%3A%22%5B1%5D%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22http%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%7Ccentral%22%2C%22linktype%22%3A%22autonumber%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Atrue%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://central.wikia.com|central" class="autonumber" title="http://central.wikia.com|central" >[1]</a>] oh darn ... I can't seem to get tha right. Maybe central is considered external an dnot internal. <a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22external%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22http%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%22%2C%22linktype%22%3A%22text%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5Bhttp%3A%5C%2F%5C%2Fcentral.wikia.com%20central%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://central.wikia.com" class="text" title="http://central.wikia.com" >central</a> mmm ... ok well tha mkae sit look like an external link when normally such a link (to another wiki in the mapping table) would appear like an internal link. </dd></dl> <ul><li>I notice you cannot test alink from within the WYSIWY editor - I'll try it after a quick preview </li><li>Well it seem sthat my first attempt entering w:c:central as an internal link does appear correctly in te preview and now appears corrcetly in the RTE input window as well. <ul><li><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20-%20yepp%20justconfirming%20the%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20is%20not%20recognized%20as%20an%20internal%20link%20whil%20estill%20in%20inout%20mode.%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%2A%2AI%20dont%20understand%20why%20that%20red-link%20text%20continued%20for%20an%20entire%20sentcne%20after%20I%20attempted%20to%20create%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20internal%20link.%5Cn%2A%2A%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20-%20yepp%20justconfirming%20the%20that%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20is%20not%20recognized%20as%20an%20internal%20link%20whil%20estill%20in%20inout%20mode.%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central - yepp justconfirming the that w:c:central is not recognized as an internal link whil estill in inout mode. </a> </li><li>I dont understand why that red-link text continued for an entire sentcne after I attempted to create that w:c:central internal link. </li><li><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20test%20-%20yepp%20redtext%20again.%20I%20am%20sure%20that%20did%20not%20happen%20earlier.%20Let%27s%20get%20rid%20of%20the%20bulet%20formatting.%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20test%20-%20yepp%20redtext%20again.%20I%20am%20sure%20that%20did%20not%20happen%20earlier.%20Let%27s%20get%20rid%20of%20the%20bulet%20formatting.%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central test - yepp redtext again. I am sure that did not happen earlier. Let's get rid of the bulet formatting. </a> </li></ul> </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true"><a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20oh%20noes%21%20it%20is%20here%20like%20the%20plague%20now%21%20%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%5Cn%5CnI%20wonder%20hwat%20I%20did%20right%20the%20first%20time%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%7Ccentral%20oh%20noes%21%20it%20is%20here%20like%20the%20plague%20now%21%20%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/" class="extiw" title="w:c:central">central oh noes! it is here like the plague now! </a> <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">I wonder hwat I did right the first time? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<a _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22internal%22%2C%22text%22%3A%22central%20forums%22%2C%22link%22%3A%22w%3Ac%3Acentral%3Aforum%22%2C%22trail%22%3A%22%20here%20it%20is%20restored%21%20It%20seems%20I%20cannot%20type%20w%3Ac%3Acentral%20first%20thne%20highlight%20it%20befor%20clicking%20the%20link%20icon%20in%20the%20edit%20toolbar.%20I%20must%20click%20th%20elink%20tool%20first%20and%20then%20enter%20the%20internal%20link.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%3Ch2%3E%7FUNIQ2e94e988530ea25b-h-1--QINU%7FOk%20what%27s%20next%3F%3C%5C%2Fh2%3E%5CnHey%20I%20just%20noticed%20that%20the%20edittools%20message%20get%27s%20displayed%20near%20the%20footer%20whil%20ethe%20RTE%20is%20in%20use.%20I%20wonder%20how%20mixing%20a%20little%20raw%20WML%20will%20work%20in%20here%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnThere%27s%20my%20blockquote%20let%27s%20see%20how%20it%20behaves.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnMmm%20no%20joy%21%20there.%20I%20shudder%20to%20think%20what%20is%20going%20on%20with%20the%20uderlying%20Wiki%20markup%20right%20now%21%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn--%20najevi%2016%3A38%2C%20December%2010%2C%202009%20%28UTC%29%20%5Cufffd%20oh%20boy%20now%20that%27s%20almost%20a%20laugh.%20The%204%20tildes%20is%20inserted%20for%20a%20signature.%20I%20might%20recognize%20that%20but%20would%20a%20newcomer%20understand%20what%27s%20going%20on%20with%20that%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnForgot%20to%20mention%20tha%20finding%20the%20T%20template%20was%20a%20breeze.%20I%20might%20take%20a%20while%20getting%20used%20to%20the%20puzzle%20piece%20icon.%20In%20word%20processors%20I%20might%20have%20expected%20to%20see%20a%20grey%20area%20around%20a%20field%20code.%20I%20wonder%20if%20a%20grey%20area%20around%20a%20template%27s%20WML%20would%20be%20off-putting%20for%20a%20newcomer.%20They%20realize%20that%20the%20text%20they%20entered%20via%20the%20popup%20window%20had%20to%20have%20been%20saved%20somewhere.%20I%20reckon%20if%20they%20saw%20evidence%20tha%20their%20text%20has%20been%20captured%20in%20the%20%5C%22field%20code%5C%22%20but%20don%27t%20see%20it%20rendered%20until%20preview%20...%20would%20probably%20be%20fine.%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%3Ch2%3E%7FUNIQ2e94e988530ea25b-h-2--QINU%7Fnext%3C%5C%2Fh2%3E%5CnIs%20there%20a%20keyboard%20shortcut%20for%20cretaing%20a%20new%20heading%3F%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5Cn%5CnLet%27s%20see%20what%20images%20Kirkburn%20has%20handy.%20%22%2C%22wasblank%22%3Afalse%2C%22noforce%22%3Atrue%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5Bw%3Ac%3Acentral%3Aforum%7Ccentral%20forums%5D%5D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" href="http://www.wikia.com/wiki/forum" class="extiw" title="w:c:central:forum">central forums</a> here it is restored! It seems I cannot type w:c:central first thne highlight it befor clicking the link icon in the edit toolbar. I must click th elink tool first and then enter the internal link. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ok what's next? <p _rte_fromparser="true">Hey I just noticed that the edittools message get's displayed near the footer whil ethe RTE is in use. I wonder how mixing a little raw WML will work in here? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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There's my blockquote let's see how it behaves. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="7">Mmm no joy! there. I shudder to think what is going on with the uderlying Wiki markup right now! <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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-- najevi 16:38, December 10, 2009 (UTC) � oh boy now that's almost a laugh. The 4 tildes is inserted for a signature. I might recognize that but would a newcomer understand what's going on with that? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Forgot to mention tha finding the T template was a breeze. I might take a while getting used to the puzzle piece icon. In word processors I might have expected to see a grey area around a field code. I wonder if a grey area around a template's WML would be off-putting for a newcomer. They realize that the text they entered via the popup window had to have been saved somewhere. I reckon if they saw evidence tha their text has been captured in the "field code" but don't see it rendered until preview ... would probably be fine. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="6">next <p _rte_fromparser="true">Is there a keyboard shortcut for cretaing a new heading? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Let's see what images Kirkburn has handy. <img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22image%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%5B%5BFile%3ADSCN3347.jpg%7Cthumb%7CHow%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%5D%5D%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22DSCN3347.jpg%22%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22thumbnail%22%3Atrue%2C%22caption%22%3A%22How%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22How%20old%20am%20I%20%3F%22%7D%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" alt="" src="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/kirkburn/images/thumb/0/02/DSCN3347.jpg/180px-DSCN3347.jpg" width="180" height="135" border="0" class="image thumb withCaption" type="image" /> <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1"><img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22double-brackets%22%2C%22lineStart%22%3A%221%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22Template%3AClr%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%7B%7BTemplate%3AClr%7D%7D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" _rte_placeholder="1" class="placeholder placeholder-double-brackets" src="http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/blank.gif?1" type="double-brackets" />Ok well that was painless enough but it does leave me wondering about the <img _rte_data="%7B%22type%22%3A%22double-brackets%22%2C%22lineStart%22%3A%22%22%2C%22title%22%3A%22t%22%2C%22wikitext%22%3A%22%7B%7Bt%7Cclr%7D%7D%22%7D" _rte_instance="41727-14765971034b21251796fde" _rte_placeholder="1" class="placeholder placeholder-double-brackets" src="http://images.wikia.com/common/skins/monobook/blank.gif?1" type="double-brackets" /> question again. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Found it - time for another preview. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Ok well tha worked liek a charm so i reckon i could fix that text wrap around the table but will leave it as is so Kirkburn can make sense of this rambling monolog. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Well CTrl+Z works intuitively enough ... as does Ctrl+Y <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<ul _rte_empty_lines_before="3"><li>have i said that I miss my red underlinging of typos? </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="2">What have i not tested? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Ah yes a gallery of images. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">mmm I wonder if the edit toolbar can be added to via some simple JS as it can for the PlainText Editor? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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I have the ShowHide macro of Navframe/NavHeader/NavContent assigned to oneof theose edit toolbar icons and it makes cretaing collapsible content a breeze But then again nexcomer editors are not going to be that sophisticated in the early days. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Oh yes - there is no concept of a DIV element here so if i wanted to give a block of text a pastel color box with a slightly darker border how would I go about that in the RTE? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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How can I insert fixed width text such as is required when pasting a piece of code? ie. wher ei sthe  functionality. Or pre elements for that matter. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Nice work <p _rte_fromparser="true">I think this RTE has covered the basic editing needs if newcomers. I have yet to review how the underlying wikimarkup looks because i'd rater save here first. ... lest i be tempted to "fix" markup that displaeases me! Cheers! Well done. <p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="1">Ahh good - no edit summary entered let's see wht happens. ... good the reminder kicked in. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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Now if ever there was a user preference that ought to be enabled by default it is that checkbox to prompt a user for an edit summary if it is left blank.  .. just a thought <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<h2 _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Revisit after my first save <p _rte_fromparser="true">What has happened to taht table? and why did the Heading text inherit the frmat of the last word typed before saving? <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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The table rendered fine n preview before clicking save. but now it is a mess. <p _rte_fromparser="true">

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I'll leave it as is for Kirkburn to look at but as I look at it from the RET I cannot begin to imagine how a new user would go about repairing thta corrupted table layout given te tools avaoilable to them. <ul><li>Did I mention that I miss my spell checker? � ;-) </li></ul> <p _rte_fromparser="true">

<p _rte_fromparser="true" _rte_empty_lines_before="3">Ok so now it's time to lift the hood and see what the markup looks like. Now the above pre block was inserted using the source code view. I am shocked! This is not wiki markup it is HTML source code!

I can barely recognize the table whose layout had been corrupted during the last save!

If users of the RTE are going to cause HTML to be appear in te source for wiki articles then that is grounds for banning the RTE from any wiki I have any influence over. Please tell me it isn't so.


 * And what's with these special tags that have _rte_fromparser="true" - what kind of HTML element property/attribute is that ?
 * I'll reserve juudgement until I revisit the with the plaintext editor after changing my user preference checkbox again.
 * mmm ... I just noticed that even though Iam in Source view right now that my browsers spell check feature is not working as it does for teh Plaintext editor inptu window.
 * but it is working in the edit summary input box. so it's not a problem with my browser.

ok tome for another save and revisit with the Plaintext editor.

Back using Plain text editor now
I am very sorry but this started off quite promising and suddenly went very badly!

I was careful to have made my first save after having used only the RTE GUI. In fact I may have even made two more saves from the RTE before finally trying the Source view and being absolutely shocked by the abundance of HTML code injected. You cannot realistically expect that such a mix of HTML and wiki markup should be tolerated as wiki articles are edited by users of the two different editor types. RTE user may be oblivious to the underlying markup but as was the case with the table corruption - if they can't repair the corruption from within the RTE then either
 * 1) they create it again from scratch
 * 2) or they ask a local user to fix the underlying markup not realizing how big an "ask" that is.

Now it is fair enough that some of the occasions when I typed wiki markup into the RTE may be responsible for some of the bizarre results. (I know that one time I clicked on blockquote in the MediaWiki:edittools menu near the page footer. Little did I know the far reaching devastation that may have caused.)

I came I tested and now I am running away faster than you can spell RTE!

This is a "does not meet" in my book.

-- najevi 17:05, December 10, 2009 (UTC)