User:Kirkburn/VE-767

Proposal thoughts, as of April 9th


 * Hiding Redo is a little scary. Maybe it could only show after Undo has been used?
 * T: It's used so very very infrequently that it doesn't deserve such a permanent space on the toolbar. Also, the keyboard shortcut works properly and will available under the "keyboard shortcuts" dialog. Thirdly, I'm not certain it's really worth the effort to build a new type of toolbar behavior to only show features based on what actions you've recently taken.
 * G: I think that it is a risk: no button, to many, would equal 'feature not available'. The keyboard shortcut is also not well known afaik - Undo, yes - but not Redo. We risk scaring people but making it look like they can't redo their work after an excessive Undo. Point taken about making new toolbar behaviour for one specific situation - it's not great.


 * Help could be under Advanced - perhaps with flag to point people to the button for help? More obvious icon might be helpful - colour!
 * T: If notices can go in advanced, so can help. Agreed.


 * Notice under Advanced - attach notice to menu button, use flag on menu item to re-show
 * T: Agreed. Changed it in the story.


 * Why is Page Settings an option, followed by links to sections *within* Page Settings - slightly weird duplication?
 * T: Good question. :) Their whole setup is a little strange. — Options, page settings, advanced settings. ​What does it mean?!
 * G: Burn it! Burn it all! ..... Anyway, as long as nothing appears in Page Settings that doesn't have it's own link, I say we should remove it - it's simply a bonus to find you can navigate to other page settings from within the dialog.


 * "Languages — in advanced dropdown"/"Language — in insert dropdown" - which is it? :)
 * ​T: Both — the "languages" in the advanced dropdown is for [[es: [[fr: etc. links. The "language" option in the insert dropdown is to insert text of a different language. We don't need to surface either.
 * G: Now my :) looks foolish. Damn you. Anyway, I think the first could maybe be 'interlanguage links', because that's what we call them: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Interlanguage_links ... helps mentally separate them. (For those familiar with wikitext I can see it being particularly confusing: both involve inserting stuff on the page.)


 * Why is "Page Title" even an option?
 * T: "Because it exists in wikitext" — from the WMF's VE PM. A foolish statement.
 * G: Hmmmm. But then again, I guess it does present an issue when it's previously been written in wikitext - but I'd want to hide it until you actually select text that's *already* an H1.